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  Did any bethelites here see first hand books of magic and witchcraft in their library?

  by EndofMysteries in

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  another thread made me remember hearing rumors of books of witchcraft and such found in if not the main library a restricted library at bethel, for research purposes.

  i wonder if anyone here had seen those first hand and if so, what exactly were the names of the books?

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  My personal library is loaded with books on the occult, demonism, magic, magick, etc.

  But I think you meant the BETHEL libraries, right?
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  Could really use some help regarding legal letter to avoid DF

  by Comatose in

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  i used to have a webpage saved and i have lost it.

  a young man and his wife had faded.

  they had a birthday party for their child and were called before a judicial committee.

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  BOTR, you have an advantage that most of us here don't have. You are extraordinarily well educated in the law.

  Would you be willing to share some constructive ideas with people looking for help on this subject, or is this all a lost cause as far as you are concerned?

  I have NO legal education, but I believe the rights outlined in the Constitution applies to individual human citizens, and through individuals to the organizations individuals form. Today the religious corporate entity is granted rights that no individual enjoys. But I am just a fool.

  You can learn who Doc Bob is if you wish to. Links to his posts have been cited here. Tell Ghandi I said "Hi".
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  I don't love my family

  by noontide in

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  how can i love people that dont really know me?

  how can i love people i dont really know?.

  thats not love.

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  Noontide said, "... the first thing the said was, “Man, you grew up in a cult.” Funny how I never saw that in my 25 years-plus in the religion."

  You need to cut yourself a bit of slack. You had no prior experience on which to base any judgement. You are forgiven for being duped.

  We come into this world as tabla rasa, and we have no choice but to accept that what we are told about the nature of reality is THE TRUTH™. It is only after our rational skills are built that we can shatter the cheap plastic paradigm we've been handed.

  I don't love my parents either. One was a loser and the other was an abused ignorant religious fanatic who saw her kids as a way for her to gain praise. It's not MY job to make their lives better. That was THEIR job, and they failed.
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  Well my JW elder dad has lost his job...

  by BU2B in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  as a little background, my dad became a jw in 1980 i think, went to bethel, married my mom in 86' went back for another year and then i came along... he worked in the auto repair shop at bethel while he was there, and upon leaving, continued working in this field.

  my whole life they have been the type of jw parents that tell you how you will never get to high school, never graduate it, never get married in this system, never have children in this system etc.. i say this to illustrate the end is just around the corner attitude they have always had, probably because they fully bought/buy into the hype at the conventions/wt articles.

  my father has no plan in place for retirement, and he is physically slowing down doing such hard laborious work.

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  Your Dad now has a golden opportunity to pioneer during the closing days of this system of things.

  Long, long ago (1960s, 1970s) there was a FINE article in the AWAKE! about how God's servants could support themselves by growing CUCUMBERS.

  I'll bet that advice is as good today as it was when the ink was still wet!

  As a grateful child, you can gift your parents with a REALLY GOOD hoe.
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  Fish With Feet

  by metatron in

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  http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jan/13/tiktaalik-fossil-fish-four-legged-land-animal.

  had gills and lungs, too.. can you say 'missing link'?.

  metatron.

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  http://www.markstivers.com/cartoons/Cartoons%202006/Stivers-6-10-06-Fish-walkin.gif

  gifs won't display?
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  Fish With Feet

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jan/13/tiktaalik-fossil-fish-four-legged-land-animal.

  had gills and lungs, too.. can you say 'missing link'?.

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  Surviving 2014

  by Defianttruth in

  1. jw
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  sometimes i get stuck in the "ruts of my past".

  i worry about the family i have lost and the pain i live with because of this cult.

  this is my plan for 2014. i'm going to do things out of my comfort level.

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  16 make a blanket tent with your children and pretend you are pirates.

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  Build a replica British Man o' War and pretend you are Sioux.
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  Any problems with AAWA.CO

  by BackSlider in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm just wondering if there are things i should worry about when it comes to aawa.co?.

  they seem to have good objectives and goals.

  i signed their petition on the change.org site regarding the watchtower's abuse techniques.. just wondering.

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  I agree with much of what BOTR has said. My opinion is that AAWA was started with good intentions but fumbled the ball early on. An immature and presumptuous clown merrily stepped into the role of being the "public face" of AAWA. (Reminds me of Joe Rutherford in some ways.) Fortunately the blunders of Bozo were SO large it wasn't long before he was removed from power. I made the mistake of judging all of AAWA by the actions of one clown.

  I am not interested in being a part of any organized "resistance." I've done my thing just fine with little help. JunkYardDog has been a good friend and ally. Surprised? Sometimes people are not what others think they are.

  My hope is that AAWA will, in time, become what they want to be. I wish them success at putting a thumb in Jehovah's eye. It is satisfying to do so.
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  For the many who remember "just2laws," he had a massive heart attack last night...

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  and died at home in panama city beach, florida.

  steve imhof, a bethelite in the 1970s and former very active elder who became a very vocal wt critic starting in 2002, was 65 years old when he died.

  he was father to three children and two grandchildren.

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  I didn't know Steve Imhof, but from the testimony of his friends, he was a good guy. My condolences to his family and friends.
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  Do You Own A Firearm? Would You??

  by minimus in

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  2013 was a record breaking year for firearm purchases.

  2014 is supposed to be a record breaker for ammunition.. do you own a firearm?

  but i support that right for others---if they are qualified..

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  Nathan Natas

  SAHS said, "... Also, believe it or not, here in Canada any mace products are totally illegal!"

  Thanks for bringing this up!

  I'll guess that in Canada LONG-RANGE WASP-SPRAY is perfectly legal. If a person was being attacked and used a can of LONG-RANGE WASP-SPRAY as though it was Pepper Spray or Tear Gas, the defender would find themselves in possession of a very effective (i.e., very damaging) weapon. These LONG-RANGE WASP-SPRAYs are very potent neurotoxins and would probably cause blindness if sprayed in the eyes, and serious respiratory problems if it was inhaled.

  So be sure NEVER to use LONG-RANGE WASP-SPRAY for personal protection! Your government will express their sincere regret over your victimization at the hands of a psychopath. Knowing that should bring great comfort.

  One thing everyone should be aware of is that almost every product sold today has a warning on the label that says something like:

  "WARNING: It is a violation of Federal law to use this product in a manner inconsistent with its labeling."

  Is it a violation of natural law for sheep to defend themselves from wolves?